a debate which did not make waves in Besançon – macommune.info

Among the people present last night on this large table, from left to right (photo): Christophe Lime (Communist Party – candidate), Anthony Poulain (EELV), Valérie Jacq (La France insoumise representing Séverine Véziès, candidate), Jean-Michel Lévêque (Socialist Party – Public Place list – who replaced Myriam El Yassa, first federal secretary of the Socialist Party of Doubs), Eric Alauzet (Need for Europe), Jean-Philippe Allenbach (Franche-Comté Movement – European Federalist Party, even s he no longer participates in the elections), Matthieu Bloch (Les Républicains – list The right to hear the voice of France in Europe), Jacques Ricciardetti (National Rally – candidate on the list France returns), Fabrice Galpin (Reconquest – list Proud France).

Ecology, China, the war in Ukraine and Palestine, hydrogen…

The debate took place around three themes. The first discussed was Europe and the ecological transition, the second focused on conflicts in Europe and the third asked the participants for the vision for 2030. Whether or not related to these themes, the public was encouraged to ask a few questions and make more or less constructive comments. Among the topics covered in the debate, “China: threat or opportunity?”, “What do you think of hydrogen?”

A focus on Europe is not easy…

During this evening, which lasted from 6:20 p.m. to 8:23 p.m., of course, subjects on Europe were explored, but the national always came back at a gallop, to the great displeasure of Jean-Philippe Allenbach who tried every time he spoke to bring the other participants back to Europe. From the subject of the energy transition, he declared in the preamble that he wanted “raise the debate” when talking about purchasing power and “missile on the head when we sort our trash”without failing to denounce the cost of the energy transition in Europe to the tune of 1,000 billion euros, ”which will drastically reduce purchasing power”.

Éric Alauzet and Jean-Philippe Allenbach © Alexane Alfaro

On this subject, nuclear power was a big subject of debate: the positions were quite clear. Eric Alauzet and Matthieu Bloch are for the reopening of closed power plants in France, in particular for “go all electric” for cars. Jacques Ricciardetti wants ”strengthening and revitalizing nuclear power” so that France “become an energy El Dorado again”but positions itself against the “all electric” because It’s the death of the industry for our North Franche-Comté region.”

On the left, it’s no: “claiming that nuclear power is a green energy, I want to say that it’s nonsense with consequences on the fauna, on the flora and nuclear waste buried for 100,000 years and the consequences of which we cannot control ”said Valérie Jacq, the only woman at the table.

Valerie Jacq © Alexane Alfaro

The first peak of the evening arrived after 15 minutes from Matthieu Bloch towards Eric Alauzet who “is a continuation of the policy of Hollande and Macron with time wasted on nuclear power”, according to him. But Alauzet did not bat an eyelid and, in his speech, wanted to “very concrete” particularly on the “100% zero CO2 emission cars and buses in 2035, 90% of trucks in 2040”, “15 billion expenses per year” for the building.

Matthew Bloch © Alexane Alfaro

The conflicts in Europe, the war in Ukraine…

On the question of conflicts in Europe, all the participants took a position, unsurprisingly, “for peace” and against sending French soldiers to Ukraine, which Fabrice Galpin insisted on: ”War is a mother crying for her child, a child crying for his father. I refuse to send your children to be killed for this country. We are against these wars, I am against sending my children to Russia or Ukraine to be killed.”

Eric Alauzet asked the question: ”it would be terrible to send our young people, but we don’t know how it will evolve and where is the limit at a given moment? If I think my vital interests are at stake, I move”he insisted.

Eric Alauzet © Alexane Alfaro

For his part, Jean-Philippe Allenbach asked several questions on the armament of Europe and its members: ”The problem is simple: do we want to be protected by the French army? Or by a European force that has 10 times more weapons? Or by a Mexican army with 26 countries, 26 staffs, with standardized equipment? We no longer defend borders, we defend our European bloc. Why pay more for a less effective army?”

There are few fans of this attempt to put Europe at the heart of the debate, with the exception of Jacques Ricciardetti who has a clear idea on the issue: “a European army is a sweet and vast utopia. To 6 member states yes, to 27 no (…) European diplomacy is non-existent.”

Jacques Ricciardetti © Alexane Alfaro

In this Russia-Ukraine conflict, Anthony Poulain deplored the discovery “of part of our fragilities” particularly on the question of energy: “The EU gives twice as much money to Russia as to Ukraine since we are dependent on Russian gas for supplies.” According to him, “Peace will only be guaranteed if we ask the question of energy.”

Anthony Poulain © Alexane Alfaro

For her part, Valérie Jacq says she is in favor “organize a conference on borders in Europe to prevent conflicts” and reported the words of a Russian political refugee in France he met recently: “the best way is to overthrow Putin and I count on the European left to do it.” As for Jean-Michel Lévêque, for him, it is necessary “the only force will be European” while asserting that “the war is here, cyberattacks exist.”

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict was also mentioned several times during the discussions.

What vision for 2030?

This third part of the debate was the shortest due to time constraints. The representatives presented their vision for 2030.

It was Christophe Lime who spoke first. For him, it is necessary “a Europe that is appreciated by citizens, it is too distant, we need to get closer (…) we lack citizenship on things and when we vote for European elected representatives, we no longer see them!”

Christopher Lime © Alexane Alfaro

Anthony Poulain said: ”The objective of environmentalists is to build another Europe. Actions are missing. We need a Europe that changes economic criteria, with a different compass. A dignified Europe: we cannot be satisfied that the Mediterranean remains a cemetery, we have a moral obligation towards the populations. It is necessary to strengthen its unity, a constituent on the scale of all the countries to put at the center the needs of the inhabitants, the parliament and the representation to the citizens. If Europe is weak, our country will be even weaker.”

Valérie Jacq hopes “a humanist and fraternal Europe rather than a fortress which, with the Frontex agency, is responsible for thousands of deaths each year (3,000 in the Mediterranean in 2023). A Europe which puts an end to the racism and xenophobia advocated by the extreme right, in accordance with France’s motto “Liberty, equality, fraternity”.

For Jean-Michel Lévêque, it is necessary “a social vision, of social justice to live with dignity, a humanist vision, a democratic vision.”

Jean-Michel Lévêque © Alexane Alfaro

Éric Alauzet stated that “for us, 2030 has a sovereignty issue, a prosperity issue and a security issue” before declining two of the three points cited due to lack of time. By adding “a fundamental right between men and women” And “the inclusion of the right to abortion”.

Jean-Philippe Allenbach said: ”What interests me is the future of Europe. She is insulted from all sides and is attacked and undermined from the inside. Today’s Europe is the Europe of nation states. This Europe is a real disaster, because it is a Europe of nation states. The only things that work in Europe are federal things.”

For Matthieu Bloch, “We have the impression that this Europe was made far from us. The question is: what do we do with today’s Europe? (…) We must stop dispersing and causing harm such as safeguarding public order, national solidarity, etc. It is not intended to replace each other, but to enable us to act together.”

Jacques Ricciardetti said: “We are for a free Europe of nations. Partisans of a powerful Europe which develops its growth in the face of the proponents of disintegration. Regain control of borders, the economy and the cultural melting pot. We are for fair trade against free trade. Against a Europe that serves as a sieve for the security of peoples. So that France becomes an energy paradise again, to give people a voice again.”

Finally, Fabrice Galpin ended the debate with these words: ”I have a vision of Europe that is very deeply rooted in nationalism, patriotism, and above all, one that moves forward. (…) I hope that France will find its compass, its course and move towards the future. And the Islamic submersion today thanks to Europe, I hope it stops.”

Jacques Ricciardetti and Fabrice Galpin © Alexane Alfaro

The debate around the table ended at 8:23 p.m., but continued very calmly and quickly in an informal manner over drinks in the room.



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